Pixel artist trials?

WarrLordd wrote:Well im not really sure if otaku is really the person who hires pixel admins i think it's elevation who handles those stuff. Pixel artist are more dev than a mod. So basically they are looking for a person quality?

Im not sure but since ele did had a few people such as lexie and joey with extreme talent hopefully he's looking for the same area of expertize. Im not saying anyone here is not talented but i think he would like to see more progress?
Basically i have stopped doing sprites cause i got no patient and then again i recently sent otaku a sheet to forward to ele to see if it would be added, but in the future if pixel artist are needed i would start back again and donate my stuff. I understand some people may want to become admin/pixeler dev..ect But seems like it won't happen anytime soon!
All im saying is continue to try it would happen eventually.

bescared wrote:

WarrLordd wrote:Well im not really sure if otaku is really the person who hires pixel admins i think it's elevation who handles those stuff. Pixel artist are more dev than a mod. So basically they are looking for a person quality?

Im not sure but since ele did had a few people such as lexie and joey with extreme talent hopefully he's looking for the same area of expertize. Im not saying anyone here is not talented but i think he would like to see more progress?
Basically i have stopped doing sprites cause i got no patient and then again i recently sent otaku a sheet to forward to ele to see if it would be added, but in the future if pixel artist are needed i would start back again and donate my stuff. I understand some people may want to become admin/pixeler dev..ect But seems like it won't happen anytime soon!
All im saying is continue to try it would happen eventually.

And they will be needed. You dont honestly expect a server to run w/ only one dedicated PA do you? If FE keeps growing as it is, thats going to be too much to handle for one artist.

Thiamor wrote:

bescared wrote:

WarrLordd wrote:Well im not really sure if otaku is really the person who hires pixel admins i think it's elevation who handles those stuff. Pixel artist are more dev than a mod. So basically they are looking for a person quality?

Im not sure but since ele did had a few people such as lexie and joey with extreme talent hopefully he's looking for the same area of expertize. Im not saying anyone here is not talented but i think he would like to see more progress?
Basically i have stopped doing sprites cause i got no patient and then again i recently sent otaku a sheet to forward to ele to see if it would be added, but in the future if pixel artist are needed i would start back again and donate my stuff. I understand some people may want to become admin/pixeler dev..ect But seems like it won't happen anytime soon!
All im saying is continue to try it would happen eventually.

And they will be needed. You dont honestly expect a server to run w/ only one dedicated PA do you? If FE keeps growing as it is, thats going to be too much to handle for one artist.

Admin Trials is Admin Trials.

That goes for Pixel Artists, as-well.

We really don't need to branch off and have another Trial when Admin Trials is for any position as a whole, as it were.


If you branched this off, you'd have to for Coders, Mappers and Mods.

It'd just start to spam itself. 1 is fine enough.

It keeps everyting in one spot, and you wouldn't really have to look around too much.

Ms.Nova wrote:

Thiamor wrote:

bescared wrote:

WarrLordd wrote:Well im not really sure if otaku is really the person who hires pixel admins i think it's elevation who handles those stuff. Pixel artist are more dev than a mod. So basically they are looking for a person quality?

Im not sure but since ele did had a few people such as lexie and joey with extreme talent hopefully he's looking for the same area of expertize. Im not saying anyone here is not talented but i think he would like to see more progress?
Basically i have stopped doing sprites cause i got no patient and then again i recently sent otaku a sheet to forward to ele to see if it would be added, but in the future if pixel artist are needed i would start back again and donate my stuff. I understand some people may want to become admin/pixeler dev..ect But seems like it won't happen anytime soon!
All im saying is continue to try it would happen eventually.

And they will be needed. You dont honestly expect a server to run w/ only one dedicated PA do you? If FE keeps growing as it is, thats going to be too much to handle for one artist.

Admin Trials is Admin Trials.

That goes for Pixel Artists, as-well.

We really don't need to branch off and have another Trial when Admin Trials is for any position as a whole, as it were.


If you branched this off, you'd have to for Coders, Mappers and Mods.

It'd just start to spam itself. 1 is fine enough.

It keeps everyting in one spot, and you wouldn't really have to look around too much.

No you wouldn't. Fe has coders, mappers and mods. 1 pixel artist isn't enough

Thiamor wrote:

Ms.Nova wrote:

Thiamor wrote:

bescared wrote:

WarrLordd wrote:Well im not really sure if otaku is really the person who hires pixel admins i think it's elevation who handles those stuff. Pixel artist are more dev than a mod. So basically they are looking for a person quality?

Im not sure but since ele did had a few people such as lexie and joey with extreme talent hopefully he's looking for the same area of expertize. Im not saying anyone here is not talented but i think he would like to see more progress?
Basically i have stopped doing sprites cause i got no patient and then again i recently sent otaku a sheet to forward to ele to see if it would be added, but in the future if pixel artist are needed i would start back again and donate my stuff. I understand some people may want to become admin/pixeler dev..ect But seems like it won't happen anytime soon!
All im saying is continue to try it would happen eventually.

And they will be needed. You dont honestly expect a server to run w/ only one dedicated PA do you? If FE keeps growing as it is, thats going to be too much to handle for one artist.

Admin Trials is Admin Trials.

That goes for Pixel Artists, as-well.

We really don't need to branch off and have another Trial when Admin Trials is for any position as a whole, as it were.


If you branched this off, you'd have to for Coders, Mappers and Mods.

It'd just start to spam itself. 1 is fine enough.

It keeps everyting in one spot, and you wouldn't really have to look around too much.

No you wouldn't. Fe has coders, mappers and mods. 1 pixel artist isn't enough

What the Hell are you talking about? I wouldn't what?

I said that the Admin Trials that we have here in FE is for any position. So that making one specifically for Pixel would be a waste, when anyone can say what they are going for on the main Admin Trials.


Then I said if they made a Trial for Pixel Artists, they would have to branch off and make trials for all positions. We have one Trial meant for all positions.


I think you misunderstood what I meant.

WarrLordd wrote:Well i understand his point that a few regular people were hired recently who doesn't do either. No map/pixel/code..

But many in that field has either quit or been fired.. There might be a reason to why they not trying to rush and go hire people to dev..

I mean even when joey/lexie was on the list there was tons more people i seen in the pixeler spot im not sure what they did cause it was also for mappers. But after they quit the list went down and down again till it died.. Some got fired and i guess it was time to remove the rest?

Then again the story with Reuben shocked everyone so that kinda made everything unstable

Thiamor wrote:Highlighting my post doesn't reiterate your point at all, Nova.

You thought I meant 1 Pixel Artist is enough. I meant one Trial is enough. Not one Trial forever. One Trial when hiring Admins. As in when holding one like we do, it is held to hire whomever is good at what they're trying to get.

We don't need to have 4 or 5 different Trials going on when the one we use is for any Admin position. Mapper, Coder, Mod, Pixel Artist. For the Admin Trails, they make their application. For whatever spot.

If you still don't understand what I'm saying then there is something wrong with you.

bescared wrote:

Thiamor wrote:Highlighting my post doesn't reiterate your point at all, Nova.

You thought I meant 1 Pixel Artist is enough. I meant one Trial is enough. Not one Trial forever. One Trial when hiring Admins. As in when holding one like we do, it is held to hire whomever is good at what they're trying to get.

We don't need to have 4 or 5 different Trials going on when the one we use is for any Admin position. Mapper, Coder, Mod, Pixel Artist. For the Admin Trails, they make their application. For whatever spot.

If you still don't understand what I'm saying then there is something wrong with you.

What i was talking about, Is not having a recurring Pixel artist trials, Holding one presently. Seeing as theres only one in the staff list atm. It wont be something that happens often, But Seeing as Theres a shortage, maybe it would be a good thing, Shows being who are capable, Shows people who will be capable. Shows who are just out there for adminship by pixelling. All in all, It would be a good thing for the development of FE, Like i said. FE has grown vastly since i started playing, and now that theres a shortage of people pixelling and taking it seriously, This could slow down development.

$horty wrote:It wouldn't be fair to just have pixel artist trials. That's like being sexist to people wanting to be a moderator/mapper.

bescared wrote:

$horty wrote:It wouldn't be fair to just have pixel artist trials. That's like being sexist to people wanting to be a moderator/mapper.

FE isnt in a severe drought of moderators/mappers though xD

bescared wrote:i understand your views, but i think your missing the point, admin trials being fore everyone.... Would mean your not just getting pixel artists, your going everyone and this being the main point, Theres no shortage of mappers, coders and moderators.

bescared wrote:i understand your views, but i think your missing the point, admin trials being fore everyone.... Would mean your not just getting pixel artists, your going everyone and this being the main point, Theres no shortage of mappers, coders and moderators.

Thiamor wrote:

bescared wrote:i understand your views, but i think your missing the point, admin trials being fore everyone.... Would mean your not just getting pixel artists, your going everyone and this being the main point, Theres no shortage of mappers, coders and moderators.

Okay, let me explain it this way, instead:

Let's say no one joined the Admin Trial to become a Pixeler, bur for whatever else reason they joined; Mod, Mapper, coder...
If you had just Pixeler Trials during that time you'd have 0 then, too.

If they were going to join, then they would do so at any time. It doesn't matter how many other Admins we have. That won't stop them from getting a Pixel job if FE needs it.

Your way would work only but two ways. You get it to work, or no one applies. That is how the other Trials would work, too.

As I said, it doesn't matter if we have an over-abundance of other Admins. The fact of the matter is that if we actually had good pixelers apply, they would either get the job, or not. Having other Admins won't halt this.

So having one Trial for the whole thing wouldn't halt getting Pixelers in anyway. The only thing doing that is Ele and Otaku accepting them or not.


Branching it off would be a waste of space if we already have a place for them to apply. If they choose not to apply, or they aren't picked, it isn't because of there being only one trial for it, it's because they really didn't want to, or didn't make it.

No matter what, you'd get the same amount of people wanting to pixel join that, as you would them joining the main one.

WarrLordd wrote:

Thiamor wrote:

bescared wrote:i understand your views, but i think your missing the point, admin trials being fore everyone.... Would mean your not just getting pixel artists, your going everyone and this being the main point, Theres no shortage of mappers, coders and moderators.

Okay, let me explain it this way, instead:

Let's say no one joined the Admin Trial to become a Pixeler, bur for whatever else reason they joined; Mod, Mapper, coder...
If you had just Pixeler Trials during that time you'd have 0 then, too.

If they were going to join, then they would do so at any time. It doesn't matter how many other Admins we have. That won't stop them from getting a Pixel job if FE needs it.

Your way would work only but two ways. You get it to work, or no one applies. That is how the other Trials would work, too.

As I said, it doesn't matter if we have an over-abundance of other Admins. The fact of the matter is that if we actually had good pixelers apply, they would either get the job, or not. Having other Admins won't halt this.

So having one Trial for the whole thing wouldn't halt getting Pixelers in anyway. The only thing doing that is Ele and Otaku accepting them or not.


Branching it off would be a waste of space if we already have a place for them to apply. If they choose not to apply, or they aren't picked, it isn't because of there being only one trial for it, it's because they really didn't want to, or didn't make it.

No matter what, you'd get the same amount of people wanting to pixel join that, as you would them joining the main one.

OK well here's the thing... Mods can easily get picked by judgment of character or even by recommendation from other mods (which happened recently - well so we was told cause i asked a few mods and the people hired recently they said they never recommend them.). For a pixel-er it would be much harder not many may understand the quality of ones work some might not even care.. Then there's those who think they are better than others at pix3el. It's a vast community where a person who apply for a moderator position can easily put on a good face at any given time to get the job (but there's also the other side to them). For a pixel-er it's all about quality you need to show your talent and let people be the judge there's no two-faced character in this field - some people may like your stuff some may not.

It's not about making a point whether there should be a pixel-er trial or not. But I'm just trying to show how be scared might be feeling, cause he has worked on tons of sheet trying to help the progress of the server.. I'm pretty sure someone would dislike to submit 10 sheets and get rejected after all that hard work!

bescared wrote:

WarrLordd wrote:

Thiamor wrote:

bescared wrote:i understand your views, but i think your missing the point, admin trials being fore everyone.... Would mean your not just getting pixel artists, your going everyone and this being the main point, Theres no shortage of mappers, coders and moderators.

Okay, let me explain it this way, instead:

Let's say no one joined the Admin Trial to become a Pixeler, bur for whatever else reason they joined; Mod, Mapper, coder...
If you had just Pixeler Trials during that time you'd have 0 then, too.

If they were going to join, then they would do so at any time. It doesn't matter how many other Admins we have. That won't stop them from getting a Pixel job if FE needs it.

Your way would work only but two ways. You get it to work, or no one applies. That is how the other Trials would work, too.

As I said, it doesn't matter if we have an over-abundance of other Admins. The fact of the matter is that if we actually had good pixelers apply, they would either get the job, or not. Having other Admins won't halt this.

So having one Trial for the whole thing wouldn't halt getting Pixelers in anyway. The only thing doing that is Ele and Otaku accepting them or not.


Branching it off would be a waste of space if we already have a place for them to apply. If they choose not to apply, or they aren't picked, it isn't because of there being only one trial for it, it's because they really didn't want to, or didn't make it.

No matter what, you'd get the same amount of people wanting to pixel join that, as you would them joining the main one.

OK well here's the thing... Mods can easily get picked by judgment of character or even by recommendation from other mods (which happened recently - well so we was told cause i asked a few mods and the people hired recently they said they never recommend them.). For a pixel-er it would be much harder not many may understand the quality of ones work some might not even care.. Then there's those who think they are better than others at pix3el. It's a vast community where a person who apply for a moderator position can easily put on a good face at any given time to get the job (but there's also the other side to them). For a pixel-er it's all about quality you need to show your talent and let people be the judge there's no two-faced character in this field - some people may like your stuff some may not.

It's not about making a point whether there should be a pixel-er trial or not. But I'm just trying to show how be scared might be feeling, cause he has worked on tons of sheet trying to help the progress of the server.. I'm pretty sure someone would dislike to submit 10 sheets and get rejected after all that hard work!

This was a legitimate suggestion, i didnt totally base it on my own reasoning :3 Warrlordd raised several good points tho. I was honestly thinking of the server development when i suggested this.

WarrLordd wrote:

bescared wrote:

WarrLordd wrote:

Thiamor wrote:

bescared wrote:i understand your views, but i think your missing the point, admin trials being fore everyone.... Would mean your not just getting pixel artists, your going everyone and this being the main point, Theres no shortage of mappers, coders and moderators.

Okay, let me explain it this way, instead:

Let's say no one joined the Admin Trial to become a Pixeler, bur for whatever else reason they joined; Mod, Mapper, coder...
If you had just Pixeler Trials during that time you'd have 0 then, too.

If they were going to join, then they would do so at any time. It doesn't matter how many other Admins we have. That won't stop them from getting a Pixel job if FE needs it.

Your way would work only but two ways. You get it to work, or no one applies. That is how the other Trials would work, too.

As I said, it doesn't matter if we have an over-abundance of other Admins. The fact of the matter is that if we actually had good pixelers apply, they would either get the job, or not. Having other Admins won't halt this.

So having one Trial for the whole thing wouldn't halt getting Pixelers in anyway. The only thing doing that is Ele and Otaku accepting them or not.


Branching it off would be a waste of space if we already have a place for them to apply. If they choose not to apply, or they aren't picked, it isn't because of there being only one trial for it, it's because they really didn't want to, or didn't make it.

No matter what, you'd get the same amount of people wanting to pixel join that, as you would them joining the main one.

OK well here's the thing... Mods can easily get picked by judgment of character or even by recommendation from other mods (which happened recently - well so we was told cause i asked a few mods and the people hired recently they said they never recommend them.). For a pixel-er it would be much harder not many may understand the quality of ones work some might not even care.. Then there's those who think they are better than others at pix3el. It's a vast community where a person who apply for a moderator position can easily put on a good face at any given time to get the job (but there's also the other side to them). For a pixel-er it's all about quality you need to show your talent and let people be the judge there's no two-faced character in this field - some people may like your stuff some may not.

It's not about making a point whether there should be a pixel-er trial or not. But I'm just trying to show how be scared might be feeling, cause he has worked on tons of sheet trying to help the progress of the server.. I'm pretty sure someone would dislike to submit 10 sheets and get rejected after all that hard work!

This was a legitimate suggestion, i didnt totally base it on my own reasoning :3 Warrlordd raised several good points tho. I was honestly thinking of the server development when i suggested this.

Well recently i have seen a thread posted by roefl himself letting people not to criticize someones work with harsh comments or rude suggestions reason more and more people tend to either stop pixeling for the community or either quit and go else where.

So it's basically the same issue when the owner or management of the game doesn't pay attention to people who do try to help the progress of development. Sooner or later when they believe they have tried enough and get no respond they would move on wouldn't they? ( I would like to help people with there stuff if they want to learn but i need to learn a bit more myself :-p)